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		<title>By: The Hybrid Vigor Institute &#124; hybridvigor.net</title>
		<link>http://hybridvigor.org/2008/08/19/account-for-intangible-cost-not-value/comment-page-1/#comment-12380</link>
		<dc:creator>The Hybrid Vigor Institute &#124; hybridvigor.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jim Ludwig of Integral Input made a very thoughtful response to my posting Account for Intangible Cost, Not Value [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jim Ludwig of Integral Input made a very thoughtful response to my posting Account for Intangible Cost, Not Value [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://hybridvigor.org/2008/08/19/account-for-intangible-cost-not-value/comment-page-1/#comment-12379</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary:  That&#039;s a well written article and you are making a cogent point.  What will it take to break this longstanding belief system that only tangibles are &quot;real&quot;, an industrial-age (at best) world view that has been long obsoleted by advances in the techno-economic system.

You have made the point that companies do in fact invest in intangibles (software implementation is an excellent example) and as the financial data is available, why not make it a practice to use to understand  that nature of that investment?

But let&#039;s push the envelope even further:  beyond examining the existing financial data better to understand how much one has invested in intangibles, how does one then evaluate the RETURN on said investment?

It is one thing to know how much you spent on intangibles; it is another to be able to intelligently evaluate what you got for it and how well implemented your expenditures were.  But this question pushes the conventional mindset yet further, in that to answer it we would have to let go of the managerial Holy Grail of MEASURING (related to tangible phenomena), and develop the new skill set of EVALUATING or INTERPRETING intangible phenomena.

Measurment of intangibles, generally speaking, requires contrivances which often obscure the intangible reality we are trying to evaluate.  The bad news is that intangibles generally can&#039;t be &quot;measured&quot;, by their very nature; it is self-evident that a bin of coal is phenomenologically different from human assets like industry knowledge, functional cultural norms, a basic sense of security,  team trust, honesty, etc, etc.

Per you article, such intangibles are more and more THE heart of the value of a business.  But if we limit our understanding of them to &quot;measurement&quot;, we will be doomed to failure, treating apples as oranges.  What will it take to wake clients up to the imperative of shifting cultural mindsets to a new axiom suitable to post-information age conditions:  Measure what is measurable, but learn to EVALUATE what is intangible....

This thought may provoke anxiety initially; it pushes the envelope and we are confronted with the realization that we may not have the requisite skills.  But it is better to have that humbling experience and get on with the learning than to continue to operate as if you were running a coal mine.  :  )

Nice work.   Jim Ludwig  www.integralinput.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary:  That&#8217;s a well written article and you are making a cogent point.  What will it take to break this longstanding belief system that only tangibles are &#8220;real&#8221;, an industrial-age (at best) world view that has been long obsoleted by advances in the techno-economic system.</p>
<p>You have made the point that companies do in fact invest in intangibles (software implementation is an excellent example) and as the financial data is available, why not make it a practice to use to understand  that nature of that investment?</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s push the envelope even further:  beyond examining the existing financial data better to understand how much one has invested in intangibles, how does one then evaluate the RETURN on said investment?</p>
<p>It is one thing to know how much you spent on intangibles; it is another to be able to intelligently evaluate what you got for it and how well implemented your expenditures were.  But this question pushes the conventional mindset yet further, in that to answer it we would have to let go of the managerial Holy Grail of MEASURING (related to tangible phenomena), and develop the new skill set of EVALUATING or INTERPRETING intangible phenomena.</p>
<p>Measurment of intangibles, generally speaking, requires contrivances which often obscure the intangible reality we are trying to evaluate.  The bad news is that intangibles generally can&#8217;t be &#8220;measured&#8221;, by their very nature; it is self-evident that a bin of coal is phenomenologically different from human assets like industry knowledge, functional cultural norms, a basic sense of security,  team trust, honesty, etc, etc.</p>
<p>Per you article, such intangibles are more and more THE heart of the value of a business.  But if we limit our understanding of them to &#8220;measurement&#8221;, we will be doomed to failure, treating apples as oranges.  What will it take to wake clients up to the imperative of shifting cultural mindsets to a new axiom suitable to post-information age conditions:  Measure what is measurable, but learn to EVALUATE what is intangible&#8230;.</p>
<p>This thought may provoke anxiety initially; it pushes the envelope and we are confronted with the realization that we may not have the requisite skills.  But it is better to have that humbling experience and get on with the learning than to continue to operate as if you were running a coal mine.  :  )</p>
<p>Nice work.   Jim Ludwig  <a href="http://www.integralinput.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.integralinput.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Henrik Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henrik Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary, I very much liked this idea. The best part is really that it is relatively simple to implement, as all the data is already available in the companies. 

As always, the key challenges will be to define how the different assets should be reported, but this is something that accountants actually excel in. 

To get the whole thing started, you will need support from the analysts: from my experience companies rarely divulge more data than they absolutely have to, even when it would be beneficial for their valuation.

I will explore this further in the Scandinavian market, where I am located. Let&#039;s continue the dialogue over e-mail.

Best regards,

.Henrik Martin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary, I very much liked this idea. The best part is really that it is relatively simple to implement, as all the data is already available in the companies. </p>
<p>As always, the key challenges will be to define how the different assets should be reported, but this is something that accountants actually excel in. </p>
<p>To get the whole thing started, you will need support from the analysts: from my experience companies rarely divulge more data than they absolutely have to, even when it would be beneficial for their valuation.</p>
<p>I will explore this further in the Scandinavian market, where I am located. Let&#8217;s continue the dialogue over e-mail.</p>
<p>Best regards,</p>
<p>.Henrik Martin</p>
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		<title>By: Cost of Intangibles Investment &#124; IC Knowledge Center</title>
		<link>http://hybridvigor.org/2008/08/19/account-for-intangible-cost-not-value/comment-page-1/#comment-12374</link>
		<dc:creator>Cost of Intangibles Investment &#124; IC Knowledge Center</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I just posed a question on hybridvigor about whether it is correct for accountants to focus on cost or value of intangibles: Companies (and their accountants) are not in the business of “valuing” assets&#8230;Think about it. When a company builds a new manufacturing plant, the analysis is not around the value of the plant. It is about the expected cost and return. No one around the table says, “this plant will have a great re-sale value.” The important questions are about how to use the plant to create revenues and profits for the company. The accountants book all the investments and expenses at cost&#8230;Treatment of intangibles should be the same. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I just posed a question on hybridvigor about whether it is correct for accountants to focus on cost or value of intangibles: Companies (and their accountants) are not in the business of “valuing” assets&#8230;Think about it. When a company builds a new manufacturing plant, the analysis is not around the value of the plant. It is about the expected cost and return. No one around the table says, “this plant will have a great re-sale value.” The important questions are about how to use the plant to create revenues and profits for the company. The accountants book all the investments and expenses at cost&#8230;Treatment of intangibles should be the same. [...]</p>
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